EP 137: Paying It Forward With Pajamas™ With Self-Affirmation Stylist Kimberly Wilkerson

Join us this week as Kimberly Wilkerson shares with us her pajama company, Token Clothing. Her journey is as rich and diverse as the tapestry of life itself, weaving through the stages of Miss Wyoming, a career in speech-language pathology, and the birth of a fashion line that champions the cause of empowerment through every stitch. Sit back and absorb the wisdom she imparts on how language shapes our self-worth, the neurological shadows cast by violence, and the power of positive affirmations - a conversation that's sure to leave a mark on your heart as well as your wardrobe.

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0:00 Introductions: Fashion & Speech

5:57 Impact of Self-Talk on the Brain

14:09 How to Combat Phone Use with Children

22:34 Empowering Women Through Fashion and Language

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Speaker 1: 0:23

Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of the Imperfectly Empowered podcast. I'm your host, anna Fulmer. Today we have Kimberly Wilkerson on the show. Kim is the founder and owner of Token Clothing Company, a women's apparel line that combines the power of language and fashion to inspire confidence, including their Pay it Forward with Pajamas initiative, wherein customers have the opportunity to gift women recovering from sex trafficking and trauma a set of gorgeous pajamas with a personal note of encouragement. Passionate about speech, language pathology and creating fashion for a purpose, welcome, kimberly Wilkerson. That's a great color on you, thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:05

Well, I love the teal too, so I'm so glad, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1: 1:10

Yes, thank you for sending it to me. I can't believe no one has asked. They're amazing and soft.

Speaker 2: 1:15

They are, aren't they yeah?

Speaker 1: 1:17

they really are.

Speaker 2: 1:18

Well, that's why I chose like I'm very intentional about everything I do with fashion. I'm like fake women feel 100 bucks.

Speaker 1: 1:25

So yeah, I really like it. I mean I was going to say this later, but no time. Like the present, I like that. It's like semi fitted at the top but it's loose at the waist. It's got that like flattering. Yeah, shape.

Speaker 2: 1:38

Right.

Speaker 1: 1:39

Right, yes, well, welcome to the podcast. You guys listening and watching. If you haven't figured it out, we're talking about the shirts that we're wearing. Kim was kind enough to actually send me one of their shirts from their line. This is their IM shirt. It is so cool. We're going to dive into the token clothing company. But, kim, it's so lovely to have you in the podcast. I was looking at your bio is so fun. You pursued your first degree was in agricultural communications, while you were studying dance at the University of Wyoming and then touring with a musical theater group. And then you also served as a public speaker for the state of Wyoming, as Miss Wyoming, in 2000. I mean, and then you became a speech language pathologist.

Speaker 2: 2:31

I know, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 1: 2:32

I love it. I love it. I was like, okay, we were meant to be friends. This is amazing, so tell me how, how you went from there to where you are today. Sure.

Speaker 2: 2:45

So I, when I share my story with people, I let them know. This fashion company has really been a now 20 plus year adventure and journey for me. When I was in graduate school for speech pathology, I remember sitting in classes and on occasion, drawing designs fashion designs in margins which were not good because I didn't have the talents of drawing, so they didn't look great, but all of the the ideas for these dresses were in my mind and I had fun and I thought I really want to have a fashion company and the next thought would be them why are you spending all of this money on graduate school? You know what are you doing, but I also knew that speech pathology was important and that needed to be part of my path, and I didn't recognize at the time that I would merge those two things together. Our world wasn't ready for that.

Speaker 2: 3:40

It's been in the last 10, 15, 20 years that all of this research on positive psychology has come forward, and now, fortunately, we're approaching how we think, how we communicate, differently than we ever have before. But at that time back in I'm thinking in 2006, 2007, when I was in school that wasn't even something that was discussed mainstream at all, and so I'm so glad that I pursued the passion of speech pathology as well because I've had a great experience with it and been able to help a lot of people. As I know you understand, in the clinical world you get that opportunity. I'm also glad that because of that understanding. Next, where T said I have the, I can bring something different to a completely irrelevant industry compared to you know, speech pathology, and so it's been fun to see how that has merged. But I didn't know it was going to merge like that until I was ready to jump in a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1: 4:38

What's really neat about your story too, though, that I think is such an encouragement, is so often we think that our interests are mutually exclusive of each other, or that even our gifts and talents are can't compliment each other, and it's like, well, how could I ever use this gift in combination with my education? Right, it's like. And then we keep them in different worlds, and so I love when, you know, the two meet in such a practical but also service based type of way where you're able to. It's like God brings all of these pieces of your life together, and then you realize, oh, this is how I'm really uniquely positioned to serve, and so that's, I think, a really beautiful, a beautiful aspect.

Speaker 1: 5:23

Talk to us a little bit about just the concept of speech, language pathology and how there's benefit from a psychological standpoint. I mean, people know that I'm a lot about like the science and the research, but talk to us a little bit about the importance of speech and this concept of self affirmation. It's easy to like hear something like that and instantly think, like you know, it's like kind of intangible, or some might say it's new agey, or I mean there's all kinds of or like kooky or whatever. But talk to us about speech and why self affirmations truly do make a difference in how we live Sure.

Speaker 2: 6:03

So let me start just briefly with what language and speech is. It's something I think that most of us take for granted until we have a disorder, and that's where speech therapists come in. Certainly, whether you're a young kid, you can't say your R's correctly which is typical with a lot of students or you have a traumatic brain injury and all of a sudden you can't speak or swallow. You know another rudimentary skill that we have that we develop really in the womb. And then, of course, we don't think about the language development and the swallow development too, and the speech development is something that happens. And so when we step back and I've done this because I get to when you step back and think about what language does for us, our lives every day involve language.

Speaker 2: 6:51

Now, I don't want to get too specific with verbal versus nonverbal and all of the elements and types of language that we study and that we recognize in the field of speech pathology. However, we are using language nonstop, throughout the day, to meet our needs, to interact with people, to process information that is coming into our environment and our minds, and that is where a lot of that self-taught comes in. In fact, I read different research studies and it's estimated that we have anywhere between 50,000 to 80,000 thoughts per day. That seems like a lot, and if we stopped and tried to count, we wouldn't get it, and then if you're a type A woman, it's about a million yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:40

I say amen to that. So we have all of these thoughts coming in and we're processing, as well as other pieces of information. Subconsciously, we have all of this information in, and so when I'll share some research that came out I think it was back in 2020 out of Canada that looked at what they called thought worms, which were thoughts that were strung together so perhaps on a topic or a subject, and when they looked at those thought worms with individuals, they measured what was happening with their testing and they determined that about 85 percent of our thoughts are typically negative, which and I can't tell you, okay, what is very negative versus slightly negative?

Speaker 1: 8:27

Right, how do we define it?

Speaker 2: 8:28

Yeah, Really that is the default. And when you hear science and you read the research, it all goes back to that reptilian brain and how we were, we were, we are positioned and we're designed to be able to flee the predator right.

Speaker 1: 8:41

Right To protect.

Speaker 2: 8:43

Yeah, yeah, and our society has evolved, but we still have this default mode, typically of negativity and being ready to be on the defense and do whatever we need to do.

Speaker 2: 8:54

Another piece of that research showed that approximately 90 to 95 percent of our thoughts are repeated day after day after day. So if you look at this huge percentage of negativity and you, we know that, unless we do something about it, that it's been repeated day after day that has significant impact on our brain structures, on how we interact with the world, on what we're able to do ourselves in moving forward with our goals and our dreams, and so, becoming incredibly aware of your self-talk. You're not going to be able to measure all you know 50 to 60 thousand thoughts a day, I recognize that but becoming familiar and very aware of what is going through your mind at least a portion of the time, is going to be beneficial because you can change it, and I think that that's the greatest piece that research, science and certainly we know through scripture and Bible, we know that we can make decisions and choices to actually change how we're thinking and what we're telling ourselves, and so I love the fact that we have that power. We just have to be aware of it.

Speaker 1: 10:04

Well, and I also love you know, one of the things to keep in mind too, when we talk about being aware of what we're thinking is, you know, you mentioned the human tendency. Regardless of how we have been raised, just by biology, our tendency is to be protective, and so we tend to lean towards the negative. This is also why, for any of you that I've ever wondered, negative statements and marketing are actually more likely to get your attention than positive ones. It's a similar concept, which is such a shame really. When you think about it, it's like let's press the pain points as opposed to highlighting positive things. But that speaks to that. But so that's our natural tendency.

Speaker 1: 10:42

But then you add to that maybe how people have been nurtured. You know, either they grew up in a home where they're not only fighting the biological tendency to think negatively, but maybe they heard negative statements for most of their life, like from a hypercritical mom or a dad who maybe didn't speak critically but never offered anything positive because he himself had no idea how to, you know, emotionally express himself in a loving way. So to your point, I think it's that idea of being hyper aware of where some of those thoughts are, stemming from understanding that you're normal when you tend to think the negative thoughts because it's human. But then to take into account maybe how you were raised. Is that affecting as well some of the self-talk, what you saw from a very young age. So I love that. That awareness piece I think is a really valuable when it comes to speech.

Speaker 2: 11:47

And let me throw this in as well. Again, I go back to the neural research on this that's come out in the last you know decade or so. Even if you are not directly involved in an argument or something that's contentious or something that's violent, watching it and hearing it. So, speaking to your point about the environment that you grew up in and the choices we make now, as we participate in different forms of entertainment or remain in certain situations and environments, our brain will respond the exact same way as we observe something that's violent or contentious, as if we're the ones involved in it. So you think about and I go to this because I work with kids and parents, still, as a speech, yes, I think about video games that are violent.

Speaker 1: 12:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:36

Movies that are violent, and I think, okay, what's happening in those brains is that amygdala is triggering, it's sending out those neurotransmitters ready for the fight or flight response, and that impacts structures within the brain and over, you know, long term, that starts to really shape the habits of how we think. As well as then, we know that when we think, we start to say things, and when we start to say things, we start to act in a certain way, and so we are shaping not just what we are going to do in life, but who we become. And so that is why it's so important and why I'm doing what I'm doing, because I recognize how important that self communication is and how we really have to make those decisions to change how we're using our brains and how we're using our thought patterns.

Speaker 1: 13:29

Yeah, it's such a great perspective and I'm just curious to touch really briefly on as parents. Is there a consistent theme that you see, or a consistent advice, I should say, that you give to parents when it's concerning screens or the information going in? Do you find that there's, generally speaking, most parents need to hear this or should be doing this? I would love to give you that opportunity to share that with us. Sure that we might not be aware of, or maybe we are.

Speaker 2: 14:07

Yeah, yeah, I know it changes slightly. I oftentimes will direct parents to the American Pediatric Association website because they have criteria on especially for little kids, right, this is how much screen time you should have up until a certain age In the months they're being on 18, 24 months. Here's this up to 48 months, et cetera, and I can't give you those off the top of my head unless I were to go there, but they keep that updated based on current research. As a speech language pathologist, I always, always, really encourage parents to read with their kids, to turn the screens off. Part of reading with your child, not only are you helping them develop language and literacy skills, but you have that interaction with them which is so critical, those social interactions for young children and older children and adults. But certainly as that brain is developing in those younger ages, that first what we call thousand days in the clinical field, which is about three years, when we're looking at how all those synapses are happening.

Speaker 2: 15:12

It's not going to have that social, that give and take with caretaker and child. But even beyond those thousand days, it's important to have those strong bonds. And so simply reading or going on a walk and talking about what you see, again thinking you're all of the language benefits to develop language and parents pointing out things and having that give and take so children can respond, and again that nurturing bond that happens. There is not a bond at least a healthy bond that happens and there shouldn't be with devices, with electronic. There's addiction, that happens, as we all know, but there's not a bond that needs to happen that then promotes a lot of healthy behaviors through the lifespan of a child and into adulthood.

Speaker 1: 15:59

It makes so much sense and, as you're talking to, it's. So we are adopting. We have three biologically. We're adopting our fourth, a little boy, and in a lot of our education something that is frequently come up is that language is frequently a struggle for children who are adopted.

Speaker 1: 16:19

And it makes sense to me because it is such an essential, like you just said, the reading, the communicating, the bonding in that way is not happening with most children who are either orphaned or have been in at risk environments. So it's not surprising to me. It doesn't mean that they are delayed in the sense that they don't have the intellectual capacity, but because it wasn't nurtured when all those synapses were developing at a young age they are behind. So I think it's easy sometimes when you see some of the descriptions of like developmental delays, it's hard to appreciate. It's not that there's actually intellectual deficits, it's that they just simply did not have that foundation being set for language and information processing because most of them were alone and neglected, even in an orphanage. So it's just such an interesting, like you know, sort of making it a real world application is, yeah, we really under-appreciate what's happening in those years.

Speaker 2: 17:22

Right, and fortunately I also let people know, because now we know that there's a lot of brain plasticity, meaning that can develop, even you know, I don't know 30 years ago, 40 years ago when doctors and scientists said, once you hit this age, your brain no longer can develop. And we know now I shouldn't say develop, but we know now that it can change, it is plastic, that there can be new connections made to help compensate for areas of damage, and so the sky is the limit for this. I always say I'm like don't ever put a cap on what's possible when it comes to communication and improving your brain.

Speaker 1: 18:02

Oh, neurology is insane. Neurology is truly one of those like I don't think we'll ever, we'll never, fully, fully understand it on this side of eternity. Well, what you did not know is that you also, when you signed up for the interview, that you signed up for a quick round of would you rather? So we are going to feel free to take a drink, use the bathroom if you need to. We are going to play a game here of would you rather? We're going to get to know you a little bit before we dive into your amazing company, the token clothing company, and how you are serving women really well. So would you rather? Cake or pie Cake? What's your favorite kind of cake?

Speaker 2: 18:49

I love like a red velvet with, of course, a homemade right. Nothing but has to be a red velvet. Yes, that cream cheese frosting, that's not too rich, but just in between, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:04

It melts in your mouth. With the red shirt, I mean, I'm feeling the red velvet. Yeah, would you rather Kindle or an?

Speaker 2: 19:43

old-fashioned book. Oh, my goodness, that is easy. Old-fashioned book. I don't have a cue to all. I don't hardly ever read anything. I like the feeling of I like highlighting and writing in the margins. In fact, right now I'm looking at a bookshelf. I'm like I like them on my shelf, so that's a fashion book.

Speaker 1: 20:03

Would you rather go to a musical or a play?

Speaker 2: 20:08

Oh, definitely musical, because I used to. I mean, I still sing, but I used to sing a lot. Oh, that's true.

Speaker 1: 20:13

Yes, that's right. Yeah, where do you sing? What do you do now? Not near as much as I used to.

Speaker 2: 20:19

Church. I see, yeah, yeah, I have considered in my I live in Idaho, but I was Idaho and I used to travel so much for work that I could never audition from a local musical. But I have thought, maybe at the top point, because I'm not traveling as much for work, maybe this spring I could do it. So I'm looking for a way to do that again.

Speaker 1: 20:40

Yeah, girl, we're like spirit animals. So I'm also a singer and my 11-year-old daughter is super into musical theater and she basically talked me into auditioning for Sound of Music with her at one of our local theaters. And didn't I go and get the Baroness role I was like. I'm sorry, what? Oh, that's fantastic. I had an incredible time, so you totally need to do it. It was really really special and the first musical I ever did actually, so that was really. That was really fun, so you should totally do it.

Speaker 2: 21:09

I'll take your two cents.

Speaker 1: 21:11

Yes, OK. Would you rather a personal yacht or a private jet? Private jet because I get seasick oh yeah, then we don't want the yacht that velvet, red, velvet cake is coming right back up, that's right and I can get it to a lot more places quicker in a jet like, but in a boat or ship.

Speaker 1: 21:31

Yeah, the yacht is like, if you want to, if you're not a huge traveler and you just want to settle somewhere like Greece, then we want the yacht, which would be tempting to me.

Speaker 1: 21:44

I don't even know the answer to my own question. There's a quote that you said that is one of your favorites and I also love it, and the quote is lead with extravagant generosity, and it's something that I love about the business, something that I'm really passionate about this idea that we need to stop separating ministry from business, this concept that, for some reason, a service-based mindset is not congruent with a profitable business and somehow they need to be separated, and so I love when there is intention, with generosity, that is incorporated into a business model, which is exactly what you have done with Token Clothing Company, which is really cool. So tell us a little bit about the mission behind Token Clothing, the products that you offer, and then tell us just a little. You have one of the products. I think we have the same shirt on, but I don't even, yeah, yeah, but look at that, I like the red.

Speaker 1: 22:51

Actually, that was between that one and this one. We have similar coloring so that's not surprising. Yeah, yeah, but tell us a little bit about how Token Clothing Company started. Sure.

Speaker 2: 23:02

So I had mentioned it was this 20-year journey, but it wasn't Token yet and so I actually came back, I believe 2021. And I came to this point where I have a job possibility for speech pathology to go down to the Virgin Islands, which sounds fantastic, right? I love to scuba dive and snorkel and so I thought this would be great. I could go down there and do everything that I love while I'm still working as an SLP. But it also is at a point where I'm like you know what, if I do this, I will not move forward with a fashion company. I just knew that the trajectory of my life would be such I wouldn't do it, and so I weighed that. I'm like what am I going to do? And I just thought you need to move forward with this business. Virgin Islands will always be there. If I really want to do that, I'm not closing that door, but I need to move forward with business. And again, even as I made that decision, I didn't know that business would be this, and so I started brainstorming. I knew it was fashion and I pulled out all of the notes and the designs and different things and I moved forward and had a few different thoughts and pajamas actually just stuck in my mind and I decided to research that a little bit. And because of COVID, lo and behold, we have this golden era of pajamas and loungewear. That was prompted, really, by stay at home for everything. And so I'm like, all right, I'm going to move forward with this. And I also knew, as I was looking at all of these notes from these years again, I didn't have the talent of drawing beautiful designs, but I always would use words, right, no surprise, I would talk about what I wanted a design to look at, and when I would doodle, it wouldn't be so much with design as color and words and doing things with that. And so I thought I need to bring this together, because the whole mission was I want to empower women, I want to edify women so they can edify the world, and that's really our mission is edify women, edify the world. And so I decided I'm going to do this. And we didn't launch with IMTs, we launched with pajamas, with purpose.

Speaker 2: 25:17

And what I did with that particular product is I took, according to a little bit of market research that I did on my own, I took the top three statements that women said that they wanted on a pair of pajamas. I was really specific about how I went forward in getting this information, and those phrases were I am beautiful, I am worthy, and the number one was I am loved. And so I put those on the interior side of the pajamas for a couple of different reasons. Number one that language, that self-love, self-appreciation, which, again, science says that's what you've got to do to combat that self-criticism. Those words can be part of an intimate experience. So I thought I want women to be able to have that to themselves, if that's what they want.

Speaker 2: 26:05

However, the shirts for the pajamas are reversible, so you can reverse them. What I did with the language, as I've done with the t-shirts, is I put the words both forwards and backwards, so anyone looking at that person who's wearing the pajamas or these t-shirts, they can be edified. And when you look in a reflective surface like a mirror, you get to read this language and be edified.

Speaker 1: 26:33

I love that. That makes me smile. As I was putting on my makeup today, I noticed that I was looking in the mirror and I was like this is so brilliant of her. I love that.

Speaker 2: 26:42

Thank you, it's fun. I love the fact that I can read the language that you have and you can read mine.

Speaker 2: 26:50

The other design piece with the pajamas that was really important to me is having them face the skin or have that opportunity. It was based upon some research that a Japanese doctor, masaru Amodo, did several years ago. A lot of people are familiar with what's known as the rice experiment or the water experiment. They've replicated, I should say, with rice. He did it with water, where he took water that was purified, he put it in Petri dishes and then he labeled water with different words. Some of the words were negative, like hate, greed. Some of the words were positive, such as love and gratitude.

Speaker 2: 27:32

He actually faced that language in towards that water and then he froze it. He viewed the water crystals under microscope. With the negative words, the crystals were very disordered, what we might call ugly, but with the positive words, the crystals were beautiful and intricate. He published his findings and the pictures of what he saw. That was another piece. For me is recognizing the power of language and words that we fully don't understand, that spoken of certainly in the scriptures, but that I think that science still doesn't fully understand, although we're getting momentum with that, getting understanding of that, we're about 60 percent water. I thought wouldn't it be great if we could have those words I am loved, I am beautiful, I am worthy touching our skin as we sleep, as well as recognizing that they're there, going through our mind and creating those new neural pathways, if we've been saying opposite things to help us with self-love and self-compassion.

Speaker 1: 28:47

Yeah, the concept of it is really beautiful. I especially women, for sure, I especially think of teen girls, or even preteen girls that idea of starting that concept early, especially the idea of if you're in your pajamas as you're washing your face at night and you're seeing that reminder before bed and then you wash your face in the morning, if you wash it that many times and you're reminded again, I think is a beautiful way to end the day and start the day. It's a great concept, is really beautiful. Talk to me a little bit about the initiative that you guys started with the Pay it Forward with Pajamas. Such a neat initiative. Tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 2: 29:29

We launched that last April April 2023, and coming into this within a few weeks of launching our company, which was October of 2022, I knew that there had to be a philanthropic piece to this. I wanted that for 20 years. I didn't know what that would look like, but the big thing for me was how do I help women connect the fashion industry? Not all of it, but a large part of it is about competition. I mean, that's sadly that that's the culture of it. I will not do that. I don't want competition. I want to know how can we get women to collaborate and to lift and raise each other.

Speaker 2: 30:08

And so I remember where I was sitting and when this thought came to me. This is what you need to do. And I thought who needs this clothing? Perhaps more than anyone else in the world? And I thought of women who are sex trafficked and the horror and the trauma that they have had to go through to get and work past that, and so I determined that I would launch that initiative and it took some work to get to, and I had contacted a few different organizations and finally was able to develop a relationship with Refuge for Women, who happens to be America's longest term and largest longest term rehabilitative center for women who have been tried.

Speaker 2: 30:59

So those women are in the program for months to even a year, and as I went forward, I thought OK, I want to be able to provide this opportunity for women to connect, not just through gifting a pair of these beautiful pajamas, but also to write a personal note of encouragement. So when a customer comes to that page on our website and what they'll find there is, they'll find the first names of these women and not their stories because we know their stories but instead their hopes and their dreams. Right, they're focused on what they still want to do, and so they can read through that and then they can determine who they want to give a gift to. And then they have that opportunity not just to gift that pair of pajamas but to write that personal note. And token clothing will fill both. So the recipient receives that personal note from someone who's cheering them on, as well as that gift set of pajamas.

Speaker 1: 31:53

I love it. Ooh, it gives me goosebumps. I literally just got goosebumps when you said it's refuge for women Is the name of it, and where are they located? Do they have multiple locations or they actually all?

Speaker 2: 32:06

over the US. There is, and some of the programs are not long term, but there I think there's five or six programs that are long term, and so I have communicated, we communicate with other directors and make sure that, because people graduate from those programs, which is great, that's what we want, and so we have to update and continue moving that forward.

Speaker 1: 32:28

I love that. And what is the exact website page for that element for the Pay it Forward pajamas? So the website is tokenclothingcocom.

Speaker 2: 32:42

Yep.

Speaker 1: 32:43

And you guys, as always, will have these links included. So it's tokenclothingcocom, Uh-huh, but then yeah.

Speaker 2: 32:50

So it'd be backslash. So it's long right, Just because of the template with our website, but so backslash pages, backslash Pay it Forward with pajamas.

Speaker 2: 33:01

So when you go to tokenclothing you'll see at the very top of the homepage we have Pay it Forward with pajamas. You click on that link and then you're brought up to see the recipients and the pajamas and a little bit more. You learn a little bit more about Refuge for Women and there's even a link that we've included on that page. So if you want to learn more about them, you can.

Speaker 1: 33:24

You guys. This is such an awesome opportunity, not only to be able to practically serve a fellow woman, if you will, but also to consider how you can involve your daughters in this. I just keep thinking of the ways to involve the younger generation so that we're, you know, kind of raising up our girls to have this mindset and to also be looking for ways to serve, while also inspiring them to start their day or end their day with these affirming statements. So for those of you listening and watching, I highly encourage you to take a look at these links tokenclothingcocom. My take I've not worn the pajamas.

Speaker 1: 34:08

My take on the shirt it is very soft. I'd mentioned this, if you missed it at the beginning. It's fitted at the top. It is a little looser at the waist. It is very comfortable, is very soft. It is really neat that someone can read my shirt and then, when I was putting on my makeup this morning, I could read it too, actually got distracted. I almost stuck myself in the eye with my mascara, cause I was like oh I didn't actually read all these words.

Speaker 1: 34:32

It is true to size, so I'm wearing a Smon 53 and I don't even know how much away, cause everyone knows I don't weigh myself. But here's the other thing I want to point out that I love is you said that each tea color is available in English and Spanish. I'm assuming this is still the case, which is so cool. And then if you place a large order I don't know exactly how large the order, but other language options are available. I love the diversity with this. I don't know if you want to touch on that at all, but the language piece is really cool, guys, the fact that this is available in more than just English.

Speaker 2: 35:10

Yeah, and because we're using words, we can put them in almost any and every language that we have on our globe, and so you know, I'm always looking ahead. I mean, we, we we launched not that long ago, really, but I'm like, yes, but I would love to be in multiple countries edifying women who I might not be able to communicate well with because I don't speak their language, but they understand these words and I understand them and if I can, edit by them. So, yes, for for larger orders, I'm trying to remember the number.

Speaker 2: 35:43

I maybe we didn't put that in there, but I think it's like around 25 or so, if you know, hey, we want this many, then we definitely will look at that production and making sure that we can get you those shirts in the right language that you want.

Speaker 1: 36:01

That's awesome. Anyway, you guys want to encourage you to think outside the box and ways that you can buy these shirts, whether it be for a women's Bible, fellowship, for um, maybe it is a volleyball team, maybe your daughter plays on a volleyball team, and this would be like a really cool end of the season gift sports, musical, theater, I mean, you name it. There's just so many ways that I think this would be an incredible gift, and then certainly consider paying it forward. Kim, where else can people find you if they want to learn more about you or follow along?

Speaker 2: 36:33

Yeah, sure, so we token clothing is on Instagram as well as Facebook and Pinterest, and I'll make sure we include in the show notes just a link, tree link so they can go in and tell you all of that. And then, of course, personally, I'm on LinkedIn and we'll include that too, uh, as well as also a personal personal accounts on Instagram and Facebook.

Speaker 1: 36:54

Awesome you guys. Wwwtokenclothingcocom. Check it out. Kim, thank you so much for being on the podcast. I just I pray God's blessing over your heart, your home, your business, and I thank you for your service and the way that you are impacting women and encouraging us to do the same.

Speaker 2: 37:12

I appreciate that. Thanks for having me.